Episode Transcript
[00:00:18] Speaker A: Welcome to Friendly Competition, a podcast to discover the best of all time. I'm Nick Carey alongside my co host and best friend, Cody Lena. Discuss various pop culture topics and narrow it down to truly the best of all time.
[00:00:30] Speaker B: Or as we like to call it, the boat. Before Nick step foot on the boat, we put him into a sweet 16 style tournament. We argue each round. We decide a winner. Nick, what criteria do we use when we decide he steps foot on the boat?
[00:00:39] Speaker A: Wherever the hell we want. Cody wants tomorrow. We're talking about this season.
[00:00:42] Speaker B: Yes, exactly. 20 years ago. It was 20 years ago from today. Exactly. And we're thinking about that. That's it. What? That's something, isn't it? 20 years.
20 years, man. Music. Because me and Nick were talking about how we haven't done a music bracket a long time because he's a coward. And now he's finally broken. We broke his spirit. You guys have sent us enough letters, enough strongly worded emails, enough pass some aggressive twitter posts that Nick has finally broken down. And we're going to talk about the summer jams of 2004 because it was 20 years ago and we're nostalgic.
[00:01:15] Speaker A: Exactly. And so here we are, folks. We've got in group b once again. We went and took the top 16 songs of the summer. We gave it to our bracketologist, they sent it back to us and randomized it. So here we have in the four seed this love by Maroon Five. And we have the five seed, tipsy by J. Kwan going up against the twelve seed lean back by Terror Squad. Terror Squad, which was Fat Joe's outfit. It was very. You have to understand people, apparently in 2004, it was very important for most rappers to get in a stable, get boys with them.
[00:01:57] Speaker B: Dude, it was my favorite era of rap because everybody was squatting up. You twelve, you had death row, you had fucking, like the roll.
[00:02:07] Speaker A: You have disturbing the peace. So you have ludicrous boys. You mentioned d twelve, that's Eminem set. Fat Joe has Tara squad. You have Roc Nation with Jay Z dog dipset. You have the diplomats, like young money, young money with Lil Wayne, G, unit G. Like, it was very important. Apparently, if you were a big rapper to get your squad up, it's, hey.
[00:02:32] Speaker B: With all this stuff going on right now with J. Cole and Drake and all those guys throwing flame at each other, do you think we're going to get another squad up?
[00:02:39] Speaker A: Is it going to happen again? Dude, I hope so.
[00:02:42] Speaker B: We need. I thought it was going to happen when Jay Z and Kanye west watch drop the throne. I thought everyone's gonna be like, oh, we're teaming up now. Team hip hop. Yep.
[00:02:50] Speaker A: All right, let's do it.
So it is. So this was a very special time when everyone was squatted up in doing what. I also love, too, about those squad ups.
[00:03:00] Speaker B: Pound for pound, name had to be stacked well.
[00:03:04] Speaker A: But, like, in reality, it's always like, yeah, d twelve.
[00:03:08] Speaker B: Anyone else? Do you remember?
[00:03:10] Speaker A: You got anyone else's name on there?
[00:03:12] Speaker B: I got someone. Oh, you want some? From terrorist squad besides fat Joe? You want me to hit you with it? Yeah, I will. It was big pun, and then he died. But guess what, DJ motherfucking Khaled. Dude, DJ Khaled's in terror squad.
[00:03:26] Speaker A: I forgot. He does have some roots in terror squad.
Oh, do you want to just. We'll keep talking about that because here's the thing. Here's the thing that that lean back did. Once again, that's very important for the whites.
[00:03:40] Speaker B: Thank you.
[00:03:41] Speaker A: And not considering the whites for. Yeah, thank you so much for considering the whites and making your, in your music for those who make hip hop, all you producers, give us a, give us a dance that we can do regardless. Lean back is. That's it. It's so great. It's just like, all I have to do is this one thing and I can do exactly what the song says and I can look cool.
[00:04:04] Speaker B: Me, a 13 year old, 14 year old, me, hitting the lean back, too. I felt so hard. I felt like I was from the street.
[00:04:11] Speaker A: If they would have asked for an additional move to see what I really made of, I would have nothing left, I bet. Oh, I was only do. See, that's the problem is it's like lean backs.
[00:04:21] Speaker B: Great.
[00:04:21] Speaker A: Then the next, whatever, the next song comes up and you're like, I'm just going to keep leaning back. That felt safe. And I like doing that. I'm just going to keep leaning back.
[00:04:31] Speaker B: I appreciate the lean back for what it gave us. Right? It gave us a move that we can all do. Everyone's capable but tipsy. Tipsy got bars, dog, and my good, they're not good, but they are bars, and I get to hear them. The lame back didn't do anything for me on the musical front. You know, the beats, not iconic. Nothing's iconic. I had to look it up and remember it. And it took like 30 seconds into the song.
[00:04:52] Speaker A: Sure.
[00:04:53] Speaker B: As I turned on tipsy and I heard the teen drinking is very bad. Yo, I got a fake id, though. Then I was like, oh, I'm right back in it, dude.
[00:05:04] Speaker A: Yes. I think when we. When we talk about, you know, the.
[00:05:09] Speaker B: The.
[00:05:09] Speaker A: How does it play now of it? All right. If you press play and it's a party that's happening right now in this year of our Lord 2024, I think you're exactly. I think you're 100% right. Lean back. It's not that anyone's going to be bothered by it, but it's going to have a moment there in the party. Everyone's like, wait, hold on. Is that. Oh, nice. Okay. But, like, tipsy by JQuan's gonna start. Like you said, team. Everyone's gonna be like, yeah, it's. Tipsy.
[00:05:37] Speaker B: Is very bad. As soon as you hear that, you're like, let's go. We know we're about to do.
[00:05:42] Speaker A: It's wild to me, though, from, like, a standards and practices point of view. Right? Like, from playing it on the radio. Like, is this on the radio, too? This was a big song then. That part never gets taken out. So every time, it's just advocating for the youth to just get fake ids, because it's like he says, teen drinking is very bad, and we're like. We're like, yes. We all agree with that. Okay.
[00:06:06] Speaker B: Yep.
[00:06:06] Speaker A: Great message. Great message for the youth, Jaquan. And then immediately followed up with like, but I got a fake id, though. You've now told every teen, like, anyone who's under the age of 21 who maybe wasn't aware that this was an option to them at the time, maybe, like, a 13 year old boy from South Dakota. And I'm like. I was like, I agree. I agree with you, Jake. Teen drinking is very bad.
[00:06:29] Speaker B: It's an epidemic, and we need to make sure we get it figured out. Thank you.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: And then he's like, but I got a fake id, though. And I was like, oh. Oh, you're. Oh, I don't know if we'd be friends, Jaquan.
[00:06:39] Speaker B: I don't.
[00:06:39] Speaker A: And then I don't know if we.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: Everybody in the club get tipsy. Oh, yeah. No, we would be friends. You're right. We would.
[00:06:45] Speaker A: Yeah. Oh, yeah. What a. I mean, the versus.
[00:06:48] Speaker B: Lean back doesn't last the test of time. I remember Fat Joe showed up, and he. He was a flash in the pan. Joe didn't last the test. He can't do it. I'm not saying Jquan did, but tipsy did. Tipsy did.
[00:07:01] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:01] Speaker B: It's.
[00:07:02] Speaker A: It's very good. Yeah, I think. I think in this sense, lean back. Lean back is fine. I do love a good dance. I do love a good dance number. As far as, like, we're talking about the summer, I still think Jake, because Jake won, you're. This is like the house party anthem, right? Like, this is a. This is like when you want to, like, think about house parties, you're like, yeah, it's tipsy. Like, that's the song.
[00:07:26] Speaker B: Yes. And if you're. If you were cultivating a house party playlist in the year of our Lord and Savior 2024, you could still put tipsy on it. I think if you put lean back on it, it's not going to hit. It's going to be a lull. It's going to be a downbeat on the night. You don't want that.
[00:07:38] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah, I agree.
[00:07:40] Speaker B: Did not do it. Fat Joe, get the fuck out of here.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: We will move on. We'll move tipsy on where it will go up against either this love by maroon five or the 13 seed toxic by Britney Spears. Now, Cody, one thing I wanted to highlight about this that I find very interesting, it doesn't. Once again, all these things are in context and you can use them however you want. But when we look at this love and we look at the final chart, right, top 100 songs of 2004. So songs that got the most plays in that year, this love by maroon five, number four on the charts, could not get enough of this song. And then I got a scroll down here. Scroll, scroll, scroll, number 48, toxic by Britney Spears. Now, was, did we just make a mistake as a society elevating, elevating maroon five to such heights over Britney Spears or did we have it right?
[00:08:41] Speaker B: No, this is propaganda. This is. This is a propaganda smear campaign perpetrated by Justin Timberlake and the boy band music machine. Because this is about when Justin Timberlake and Britney Spears broke up and there was the aftermath of that and Justin music, everyone, for some fucking reason, I had to pretend sit around like Justin Timberlake knew how to beatbox while we all shit on Britney Spears, who was making pop classics. This is. This is bullshit.
[00:09:08] Speaker A: This, right.
[00:09:10] Speaker B: Toxic is a much better song than it was giving credit for. Now, we all noticed that in hindsight, and Justin Timberlake still can't beatbox.
[00:09:18] Speaker A: Yeah, still trying, too, by the way. And it only gets worse. You have, like, what do you have five good beatboxing years?
Like maybe like how old? 28?
[00:09:29] Speaker B: 20?
[00:09:30] Speaker A: You have to stop beatboxing by 30, right? Like, hard stop at 30 or he comes.
[00:09:36] Speaker B: Justin Timberlake comes out on Ellen and he's like, yeah, I just did my new album as me and my fucking. I got my blues band. It's so cool. Yeah. All the percussion on the album is actually me. I know. You can't sell when you listen to it, man. Yeah, it's like.
And Ellen just like, oh, my God. It's amazing. Oh, my God. She's so good at it. It's like, what?
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills, Nick.
[00:10:00] Speaker A: Yeah. I will say. I'm looking at. I'm looking here and seeing, like, what is it sandwiched between, though? Like, where? Like, in Britney Spears music anthology, it does the first. The song before this that she releases me against the music. Bad song.
[00:10:13] Speaker B: Mm hmm.
[00:10:14] Speaker A: And then the song after is every time not a terrible song, but not great.
[00:10:18] Speaker B: Like, this.
[00:10:19] Speaker A: This really does feel like it's almost like a diamond in the rough of this period for Britney Spears. Like, I don't want. I don't think we can sit here and say that she's was sitting out here only dropping bangers at this time.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: Okay. Here's the thing, though. If we're gonna go legacy. For legacy, step up maroon five. Adam Levine, my stupid piece of shit.
[00:10:40] Speaker A: I mean, Maroon Five has headlined the Super bowl and Britney Spears hasn't. She's been a part of a Super bowl production, but she's never headlined.
[00:10:49] Speaker B: She was the greatest VMA performance of all time. Is that anything?
[00:10:53] Speaker A: It's not. I mean, I think. I don't think it's nothing. I'm thinking you dissing maroon. I think you're under playing maroon five most.
[00:11:01] Speaker B: I'll give it the record. This song is also a fucking bop. This love is a bob. It's got that bedroom feel, too. It's got, like, that something jazzy about it almost. It's like, what are you doing? This is a great. Like.
[00:11:12] Speaker A: I mean, we were not on the beaches in 2004. No, but I could see, like, this would be like, if this was. If this was someone playing it on their speaker and you're, like, on the beach or something, you. It's not killing the vibe at all. You're like, nice.
[00:11:24] Speaker B: Okay. White. White men didn't have a song to explain their feelings to women until your body is a wonderland came out. So this was doing. This song was doing some heavy lifting until John Mayer got a handheld.
[00:11:37] Speaker A: And so I do think, like, maroon five. I mean, this is in how much maroon five.
[00:11:43] Speaker B: This love mixtapes were being made, you know, like, let's take it into that context. How much the heavy lifting was maroon five? Two. And for men who don't know how to talk about their feelings.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: I mean, you have to think that. So this love comes out, and in the same year, she will be loved also comes out later. So that's a one two punch for trying to explain to a lady. I don't have the words, but do you know who does? Adam Levine.
[00:12:09] Speaker B: I have a. What's the name of the album?
[00:12:11] Speaker A: It's this. This is off the album. Songs about Jane. This is their first songs about.
[00:12:15] Speaker B: Exactly. So it's like, so white men in the year 2004. They can just be like, honey, I got you. I made you this mixtape, and it explains how I feel. And it's just songs about.
[00:12:25] Speaker A: It's just songs about Jane.
[00:12:26] Speaker B: We just burned a copy of it and gave it up to you.
[00:12:29] Speaker A: Oh, for sure.
[00:12:30] Speaker B: Oh, yeah, sure. I threw one Jason Mraz song in there to keep you guessing. But other than that, like, dude, I.
[00:12:38] Speaker A: Feel like what's wild is especially where maroon five, like, ends up, you know, looking. The fact that we have 20 years, maroon five still putting out hits in the. In the year of our lord. Right. And so to know, like, songs about Jane is like a very kind of, like, alt rocky, you know, good pop rock album in general. And then they're just like, eventually, like, oh, no, we just want to make money making music. Whatever the. Please tell us whatever it is. We will make whatever you want. Like, at some point, there was a core band that it feels, like, really cared about music, and then at some point, I'm. Levine's like, hey, guys, we can sell out.
[00:13:18] Speaker B: You know what the problem is? I respect him for that. If. If our lead singer comes in, I've been. I'm on the drums and Nick's on the bass, and we're just making it. And we made one big hit and they're like, hey, guys, we have an opportunity right here. We don't have to write our own songs anymore. We got this swedish guy just going to write us pop hits. Yeah, I'm taking it. Absolutely. No, I don't have to be.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: And actually, I do think in some interviews that the guys in Maroon five have. Have had, I think they all agree. They're like, yeah, it's basically what happened. Like, and that they're like. And you want to know what? You know what's great is that, like, I'm. I'm the bass player in Maroon five. I get just as much of a cut as Adam does of the songs, but I can go out to dinner and not be harassed as Adam Levine.
[00:13:59] Speaker B: It's so good.
[00:14:00] Speaker A: So it's like, yeah, I sold out to make all that money, and I'm just living now.
[00:14:04] Speaker B: If we're looking at it like this, though, so we're taking a big step back and looking at the 20 years that we have to play with.
[00:14:09] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:14:10] Speaker B: I think Brittany just needs it more, man. She's having a nick. I. Brittany needs it. I know. Maybe she doesn't need it, but I need to give it to Brittany. I need. I need to help her.
[00:14:23] Speaker A: I think that's fair. I. I'm with you here. I think toxic is the better of the two. So, like, even if we're looking at it from the standpoint of, like, now, once again, if you're going to play one of these two songs and what's the reaction? Like, why would you play like Ty? And also in there. In their pantheon of their greatest hits, toxic is a top, top three, top five Britney Spear song.
[00:14:48] Speaker B: It may be. Maybe this will embarrass myself but when this love comes on if I'm alone I'm singing it like I am toxic this song's an earworm that gets in there.
[00:14:56] Speaker A: Really? You go that hard on this love?
[00:14:59] Speaker B: I like it.
[00:15:00] Speaker A: Don't get me wrong. I'm not against this love.
[00:15:01] Speaker B: It's a very guilty pleasure of mine, but I love it. I don't love it. Love's a very strong word.
[00:15:06] Speaker A: I do enjoy the song, though.
[00:15:08] Speaker B: It's not going to make. I have a playlist that whenever I love a song, it's on there. This song is not on that playlist. Toxic is, though. Now that I'm thinking about it. Toxic is on that list.
[00:15:18] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:15:18] Speaker B: I think I gotta go. Toxic. Yeah. This level's a bop, though. I just don't think we. I want to make sure people know I am giving you the respect it deserves. I know I went hard on maroon five at the beginning. This song, particularly, is one of the very few that I do like of theirs.
[00:15:31] Speaker A: Yeah, this is. This is a great. This is a great album. Songs about Jane is a very good. Like, you can't deny the like. Oh, it's very good. It's very fun. We all. We all enjoy it.
[00:15:40] Speaker B: It's a fun pop album. I get it.
[00:15:41] Speaker A: Yeah. All right, so we have toxic going up against Tipsy.
[00:15:47] Speaker B: The. I feel like you use these songs.
[00:15:49] Speaker A: In two different ways. Right.
[00:15:50] Speaker B: I disagree.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Okay. Because I'm like. Because I'm saying if I'm doing like we talked about, like, I think Tipsy's maybe one of the best. Like, if you're at a house party playing songs and so that's great. Like, I love that vibe. Right? That is a great vibe. Toxic is more the, like, wedding song now, right?
[00:16:07] Speaker B: Okay.
[00:16:08] Speaker A: I don't think, like, we're playing now that we're in our. As we've aged, has tipsy aged with us. This song about teen drinking. Everyone in this song is. Is a minor, ostensibly. And while, yes, we can look back on those times and reminisce and. And be grateful for them, at the end of the day, if I'm putting together, like you said, a party playlist.
[00:16:29] Speaker B: Yes, they're both. Both of these are gonna hit on the party playlist.
[00:16:32] Speaker A: Yes.
[00:16:33] Speaker B: Here's the thing, though. I think. I think toxic is tipsy's gonna make the party up fun. I think toxic, the only danger you have to toxic. I think it's gonna make the party fun. It might make it too sexy. If there's a right amount of alcohol on the dance floor, the right vibes and the right people grinded and toxic comes on, I think it's gonna turn from grinding to, like, making out. Yeah, sure. It's a danger. You have to run.
[00:16:58] Speaker A: Sure, sure. Well, especially now that you're mostly just hanging out with your. Your partner and then couple friends, you don't want to be caught accidentally, not with your partner. When toxic comes on, you know, all of a sudden, you're there hanging out with your friend's wife, and toxic comes on, you're like, are we? I don't want to. I don't mean to, but that toxic tongue is slipping underneath.
[00:17:21] Speaker B: You know, I think toxic can just lift. I think they're the same build, but toxic just lifts more, does more of the heavy lifting that I need.
[00:17:31] Speaker A: Yeah. And, like, I think there's something to be said. We look at the. The longevity. Right? Brittany, still here? To some extent. Jake, Juan, where Jake won. Where you been?
[00:17:40] Speaker B: I don't know where Jaquan is, but I'm not here. So I'm worried about Britney and I, Nick. I'm afraid because we're so big, this podcast is huge. I'm afraid if she doesn't at least get to the final four, that she's going to find out about it, and.
[00:17:52] Speaker A: I want her feelings.
[00:17:53] Speaker B: She's got enough stuff going on right now that I can't put this on top of it. You know, I'd hate for.
[00:17:59] Speaker A: To add one more thing to her play. I'm so. I agree with you here. We can move toxic on into the final four, and that is it, folks. Thank you so much for listening to this episode of friendly competition. If you want about your boys, a few things that you can do, as always, share with a friend, tell a friend, wherever you're listening to this, make sure you hit that like that. Follow that, subscribe and wherever you can give us those five stars, please.
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[00:18:37] Speaker A: Charizard for that introduction. Music, you want to hear more of their stuff. And over to band camp, type in charizard and replace the vowels with sixes. That is going to be it for us, folks. Got a new episode coming out on Monday, but until then, I've been Nick Carrey.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: And I'm Cody Lena. See on the boat.
